85w bulbs in hellas?

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looking to get more light output from my hella 500 driving lights and my fogs. both have glass lenses attached to metal lens housings, and plastic outer housings. any reason why I cant run higher output bulbs? only thing I;m really worried about is cracking the glass lens on the hellas

 
I have 100watt bulbs in my 700ff, I wouldn't think the heat would build up to much more in the smaller housing.

 
The fogs are vented even better than my hellas, but I think the bulb will be closer to the glass with mine as opposed to the 700's guess there's one way to find out

 
The fogs are vented even better than my hellas, but I think the bulb will be closer to the glass with mine as opposed to the 700's guess there's one way to find out
I wouldn't run them when not moving. Quite a bit of cooling driving along. But ya, one way to find out..

 
a friend of mine ran 100w in his hellas, heat wasn't an issue. wiring is the more important aspect. chris I'd assume you could shine more light on that. you need higher gauge wiring and a fuse of some sort inline.

 
a friend of mine ran 100w in his hellas, heat wasn't an issue. wiring is the more important aspect. chris I'd assume you could shine more light on that. you need higher gauge wiring and a fuse of some sort inline.
So long as heat isn't an issue, wiring isn't hard.

Throw out the stock wires coming off the lights. I think it's 22 gauge, which is just on the edge of not being enough for 100w.

Let's say a 100w bulb draws 9 A at operating voltage. I know it's a bit less, but let's be safe and say 9A.

IIRC, 22 gauge wire is only rated at 7A. so you'd melt it. So 18 off the lights. Now, 18 is only rated for about 16A. So you can't use that downstreem of the lights or you'll melt the wiring. ie. if you wire 16 from two lights to battery. You'll melt it.

You're going to want to use 14 gauge or bigger wire between the lights and battery. None of this can run on stock car wiring unless you want to set your car on fire. Or just keep burning fuses. Use a good quality 30A+ relay straight to the battery, use the stock wiring to turn the relay on and off.

Then a 25A fuse right off the battery into the relay. You could possibly get away with a 20A fuse, but that's just on the edge of being enough.

Even though 16 gauge wire, rated for 22A would technically be enough between the lights and battery. That's 4A above what you need. But this would necessitate using a 20A fuse. You can't use a 25A fuse because that's rated at more than the wiring. This means the wiring would catch on fire before the fuse blew. In reality, it would probably be fine. but on paper it's bad. So you need to use a heavier wire than your fuse.

Besides, running wire at close to it's maximum rating means the wire runs warm, degrades faster, has more voltage drop, etc. no reason not to run a size or two bigger than you need.

Now, since you've just added so much extra current draw, you really need to make sure the ground between the body of the car and the battery is up to snuff. It may not have been a problem before, but if it's a bad ground you might start pulling a lot of amperage through the grounds in electronics. This isn't cool at all. So just check the body to battery ground, clean the terminals, make sure it isn't corroded, etc.

Also, with the lights on, check the voltage drop between the pos bat terminal and the pos alt terminal. If there's more than 1/2 volt drop or something make sure that path is good too.

 
^ This. I wired my lights with low gauge all the way to the bulb just to be safe in case I ever wanted to upgrade. I got at least 2.5x the amount of wire surface area than the stock crappy wires I pulled out.

 
the wiring that came with the hella kit was wicked big, I think it was around 14, but I could be wrong, I'm definately doing the 85s in the fogs, which are run on all factory wiring, which I have no intention of replacing all the way to the relay.... wish me luck with that one

 
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the wiring that came with the hella kit was wicked big, I think it was around 14, but I could be wrong, I'm definately doing the 85s in the fogs, which are run on all factory wiring, which I have no intention of replacing all the way to the relay.... wish me luck with that one
Hopefully it just blows fuses. But good luck...

 
^ good to know. If things go badly I'll just use the stock fogs to activate a relay under the hood for big wires to the fogs.

 
I ran 100w bulbs with the hella harness for a long time and had no problem!
important to run relays for hi-amp applications like supercharged Hellas. this'll help from cookin stock wiring.

ran 100w blubs in Hella 500s, tho with shortened blub life (hadda replace blubs 1x 2x per year). ran 100ws in FF700s, no probs whatsoever.

!!! !!! !!! DO NOT try to run 100ws in stock light fixtures, unless you like the concept of nice stock wiring melted into modern art blobs.

 
important to run relays for hi-amp applications like supercharged Hellas. this'll help from cookin stock wiring.

ran 100w blubs in Hella 500s, tho with shortened blub life (hadda replace blubs 1x 2x per year). ran 100ws in FF700s, no probs whatsoever.

!!! !!! !!! DO NOT try to run 100ws in stock light fixtures, unless you like the concept of nice stock wiring melted into modern art blobs.
I'm glad someone else is saying to upgrade wiring...

 
I'll upgrade for the fogs before I put them in. I imagine the wires don't like running the 55w floodlights I have hooked up. Just gotta wait till I get paid for te tree job I did for my landlord

 
upgraded to a tractor light wiring harness from tractor supply. second relay in the system since the stock fog wires were 18ga. used the power from the fog harness to turn on my relay, and the relay has 12ga power and output to the lights. ran it with the old bulbs and it was scary bright with better wires (went from 18 to 12) put in my "yellow" hella bulbs, and they look like a half worn regular bulb, not even remotely tinted yellow. what a waste of $13 should have just rewired them and called it good

 
upgraded to a tractor light wiring harness from tractor supply. second relay in the system since the stock fog wires were 18ga. used the power from the fog harness to turn on my relay, and the relay has 12ga power and output to the lights. ran it with the old bulbs and it was scary bright with better wires (went from 18 to 12) put in my "yellow" hella bulbs, and they look like a half worn regular bulb, not even remotely tinted yellow. what a waste of $13 should have just rewired them and called it good
I said the yellow bulbs were a disappointment...

If you really want a good yellow you need 35w or less. 55 just washes it out.

 
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I'll just say that with the 500's it doesn't make big enough of a difference to matter. the bulbs blow all the time, and the pattern isn't that great. upgrade to some FF1000's or better and you will find a large difference.

 
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