the success of dirt drives depend on people driving within the limits of their own skills, their cars, and road conditions. there have been a few peeps who got in over their heads and shortly into the ditch, which tends to smarten them up right away. others have found themselves uncomfortable with the conditions and/or remoteness of the roads, and have left partway thru the drive. these things are NOT races. Ken Block wannabes who cause unnecessary problems for others on the group outing will be left behind in the puckerbrush for the wolves and bears! We'll pull you out once or twice, but third time you are on yer own, LOL.