imagine that... It's raining!

Agree'd Rugged....

The earth has been here for a very very long time, evolving into what it is and being pushed by a variety of factors nothing can control except maybe whomever or whatever created this universe....<--note the non-religious or Darwinish expression to keep this totally nuetral and void of potential discussion regarding "creation"!!!

I am of the opinion that if we have a clue it is a really teenie tiny one...Who are we to say what the heck is going on when we have only been privvy to a almost nonexistant period of time in the big picture.

oh wait... never mind... Al Gore said it so it's OK... somebody call Chuck Norris... I need an adult

 
yup int he 70's all scientists thought we wer eheading to another ice age. these peopel need to pull stuff out of there ass so they can get goverent grants to keep gettign a pay check. the earth is so huge and been aroudn for so long to think man can completly change its patterns and climate in the 100 years or so if that of cars large plants etc is stupid

 
oh we are heading for another iceage and dont U forget it...

I think they have the window down to between the next 15 to 75 thousand years... maybe I will split some extra firewood now!

 
oh we are heading for another iceage and dont U forget it...
I think they have the window down to between the next 15 to 75 thousand years... maybe I will split some extra firewood now!
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We're still not out of the last ice age....
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Dorks.

 
midcoast has now rec'd 11.5" of rain in June-- a new high rainfall record, esp compared to the normal 3.5" monthly precip. I live on a river, and have had to haul my canoe farther up my lawn 3 times this month. Good thing it was tied up, otherwise it'd have floated away long ago.

The real Chicken Littles in all this climate change hoo-ha are the ones who think man's thousands of years of burning everything he can lay his hands on--rainforests, witches, prairies, coal deposits, all the crude we can drill, and of course our favorite 93 octane--don't have an effect on global climate. You light the woodstove at home, the house gets warmer, doh! Same thing holds true on a global scale, especially when the billions of ppl in the developing countries start buying Hummers and Lexuses and big ole air conditioners etc etc.

Yes, the earth IS huge and has complex climate systems, but the changes are happening...we just don't know for sure yet what the outcome is indeed gonna be. We all better enjoy our turbo Scoobs now, 'cause our kids and grandkids and their descendants are likely to be facing a VERY different type of life from what we're used to now. Not necessarily better or worse, just different due to changes in energy consumption.

 
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The real Chicken Littles in all this climate change hoo-ha are the ones who think man's thousands of years of burning everything he can lay his hands on--rainforests, witches, prairies, coal deposits, all the crude we can drill, and of course our favorite 93 octane--don't have an effect on global climate. You light the woodstove at home, the house gets warmer, doh! Same thing holds true on a global scale, especially when the billions of ppl in the developing countries start buying Hummers and Lexuses and big ole air conditioners etc etc.

Yes, the earth IS huge and has complex climate systems, but the changes are happening...we just don't know for sure yet what the outcome is indeed gonna be. We all better enjoy our turbo Scoobs now, 'cause our kids and grandkids and their descendants are likely to be facing a VERY different type of life from what we're used to now. Not necessarily better or worse, just different due to changes in energy consumption.
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Now im no scientist:rolleyes:but isn't our consumption just the end stage of carbons life cycle,the release of the energy is being put back into a closed system to recycle back through?.Seems to me all the" stuff "was allways here in one form or another;)...Yah bud way to much rain for my garden:D
 
OK, point taken, that end cycle of carbon release has some relevance.

Trouble is, the rate of release is the issue here--stored carbon is being dug up, burnt, and released at a WAAAY higher rate than it would if ancient buried mastodon goo and dino juice bubbled up in the tar pits or got spit out the occasional geyser/volcano or something.

 
I`d rather live in a warmer climate than try living on top of a mile high glacier. If it gets too warm we all can become nudist
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OK, point taken, that end cycle of carbon release has some relevance.
Trouble is, the rate of release is the issue here--stored carbon is being dug up, burnt, and released at a WAAAY higher rate than it would if ancient buried mastodon goo and dino juice bubbled up in the tar pits or got spit out the occasional geyser/volcano or something.
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I take the opinion that :)things are the way there susposed to be;),I would agree that were seemingly at a tipping point and speeding up the outcome:pon:But if it comes down to our bad influience over the planet vs mother natures[insert word ] ability to absorb and go on.Ill bet on nature any day.
 
The real Chicken Littles in all this climate change hoo-ha are the ones who think man's thousands of years of burning everything he can lay his hands on--rainforests, witches, prairies, coal deposits, all the crude we can drill, and of course our favorite 93 octane--don't have an effect on global climate. You light the woodstove at home, the house gets warmer, doh! Same thing holds true on a global scale, especially when the billions of ppl in the developing countries start buying Hummers and Lexuses and big ole air conditioners etc etc.
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I dont think amounts to a hill of beans, but that just what i think. Animals pooping releases greenhouse gasses, the earth deals with animals, even ones that are as overpopulated as we are. I think she's fine. You and i can think what we want, but to assume either of our thoughts is right is both arrogant and ignorant at the same time.
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The part that worries me is when the fragile economy takes a back seat to climate change, ie cap and trade BS cruising through our ignorant "leaders" in Washington right now.

 
teh Fragile Economy is a short term issue. not a minor one no doubt but not a hilla beans in the long run

atmospheric release of massive carbon emissions into IS a big deal. and when the economy becomes less fragile and more ppl around the globe make enough $ to buybuy they will, and billions of households in India Indonesia China Brazil Costa Rica etc etc will buy they 1st car, 1st furnace, TV Hummer ATVs snosleds and all the other stuff we have come to see as "normal" and if u think things are crazy climate wise now, just wait a couple dozen years.

I don't pretend to have the answOrz, hey I got the boost turned up and pass ppl whenever the road lets me and search out 93 premium like Holy Grail

but Change Is Going To Come, and there are many choices involved...it can be an Ugly Change or a more reasoned and disciplined process. The main point of stupidity out there is refusing to engage and think about how this can all work out.
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Humungous is a totally valid vision of the future

the Mad Max scenes of hijacking a petrol tanker...I hope not, but hey it's 100% believable

 
you mean cap and tax. i swear obama think he is only president for a year and has to have every bill he wants passed in that time frame. why would u pass a bill that will not raise the tax on energy companys but ont he consumer right in the middle of a downward economy. here is an idea lets not bail out crappy car companys and we will be a lot better off. all hail socialism.... woops i uh mean capitolism

 
you mean cap and tax. i swear obama think he is only president for a year and has to have every bill he wants passed in that time frame. why would u pass a bill that will not raise the tax on energy companys but ont he consumer right in the middle of a downward economy. here is an idea lets not bail out crappy car companys and we will be a lot better off. all hail socialism.... woops i uh mean capitolism
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The cap & trade bill will cost all the present energy companies money to survive and they will pass this cost down to all of us even the people on welfare. It`s a shift in World power from old energy to new. Many of the current energy suppiers are disversifing so they can stay in business. In the end it`s we the people that are getting screwed AGAIN
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