Those numbers are rated at the crank, I am talking rwhp, most stock lb7's Dyno 240-250 with a little over 400tq, I have owned one and with stock programming it's not happening unless we are talking on a dirt road or wet tar.the LB7 had 300 hp @3100 rpm/ 520 lbs torque @ 1800 rpmthe LLy had 310 hp @3000 rpm/ 590 lbs torque @ 1600 rpm......there was a motor switch mid year through 2004......you tell me 500+ lbs torque wont break loose at less than 2000 rpm...welcome to ms by the way...