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The welder I work with (and myself) started looking at ways to build them, have lathe and milling machine available from time to time, doesn't look like they are hard to build, but neither of us want to deal work the paperwork. Pretty sure G3 on Turner deals in them

 
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Takes about 9 months to get the federal go ahead on a silencer.  One of the guys at the matches I go to got one for his .22/.223.  He says it chops the noise by better than half with high speed ammo.  I have 60gr sub-sonic he wants to try but we just haven't hooked up yet.  On your AR it will cut the noise down a lot because you'll be eliminating your compensator, which makes more noise than the usual flash hider.

I bet if you ask Chris at G3 he'll take you out to the range and let you try one.

 
I've heard 8-9 months waiting on the ATF approval.  Any other waiting would occur waiting on the class 3 dealer to get his hands on the actual silencer you want. You see, the process of waiting doesn't start on the ATF Form 4 till you have a serial number to put on the forms.  The Form 4 is a transfer of ownership form for a NFA registered item.  The class 3 dealer buys the NFA item legally (silencer, SBR, SBS) waits on item to arrive, sends in Form 4, and then once you are approved, he transfers ownership to you. Process in total could take a while with waiting on the item, then waiting on the ATF.

I've just recently sent in a completed Form 1 to manufacture a SBR (short barrel rifle).  Don't expect to hear anything till early 2014. Once approved I'll be short barreling one of my AR15s.  I will be chopping down the 16" barrel to 10".

 
The gun shop near me makes silencers. It's expensive, I know that. But a fair chunk of that is for the permit to own one. And I heard it's anywhere from 9-12months.

 
IBratmanI said:
The gun shop near me makes silencers. It's expensive, I know that. But a fair chunk of that is for the permit to own one. And I heard it's anywhere from 9-12months.
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I think a co-worker goes thru that guy in Whitefield. He took one of his rifles over to G3, and they could not touch the level of quiet that he had in his shotgun or .308, he makes them for the specific firearm... the guy I work with has really bad tinnitus, and gets his tax stamp cheaper or something due to it being considered a disability. He uses them for hunting, and Ive heard them first hand. After the 1st shot, they are the quietest firearms Ive ever heard. I'm seriously thinking about going suppressed SBR with one of my AR's, with it registered in multiple calibers. Also, I've heard if you hold a CCW already, your paperwork will be much quicker. But that's just what I've heard... Best bet would be to go straight to G3, and see Chris for the real story. They also do courses (last time I knew), where you can use their suppressed rifles (for a fee, of course), but you get your fee back as a discount if you buy a firearm after...

 
You can buy the adapter to use the filter as "solvent trap", but need the stamp to fire it that way according to the site I saw

 
Nate said:
It's here!

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I've been looking at getting the .45 version, I have had the chance to shoot one a few times. How do you like it in 9mm?
 
smelt240 said:
He uses them for hunting.

I'm seriously thinking about going suppressed SBR with one of my AR's, with it registered in multiple calibers.

Also, I've heard if you hold a CCW already, your paperwork will be much quicker.
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You can't use supressors/silencers for hunting in Maine.  Illegal.

You can register a AR as a SBR... But you CAN'T register it as multi caliber.  You need to specify.

And I have a feeling having a CCW has absolutely no bearing on the wait time for ATF paperwork.  They are two seperate things.

jamey said:
Any of you heard of those oil filter suppressors ? Wonder if you still need a stamp
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Manufacturing the adapter is illegal. You are essentially manufacturing a silencer or parts for one, and doing so without permission.

If you buy one, it's cheap.... But its a serial numbered item, and you must register the adapter.  I couldn't imagine dropping the coin on a stamp just to pop big heavy oil filters on the end of any of my guns.  F that.  Just save up and buy a real silencer.

 
CoupedUpSubie said:
I've been looking at getting the .45 version, I have had the chance to shoot one a few times. How do you like it in 9mm?
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I love it in 9mm.. I prefer more capacity and ease of follow up shots to 45acp any day.  I just don't believe 45acp is the end all of calibers.  I own 2 45's and enjoy shooting the round, but will not use it as a self defense round. I bought it for my girlfriend to carry, so she has it all the time.  I don't mind the gun, but I really have no use for grip safeties.  If you understood how the XDs works internally compared to XD and XDm, you would realize the grip safety isn't even needed on the gun.  They just put it there because XD is known to make their guns with them.  The way the striker operates before firing in the XDs is EXACTLY like a Glock. The striker is at rest and has NO spring tension until you start pulling the trigger back.  Once you reach the rear of the cycle of the trigger pull the striker will fall and fire the gun.  On an XD  or XDm, the striker is under tension, and the trigger pull drops the striker off a sear to fire. 

 
Nate said:
You can't use supressors/silencers for hunting in Maine.  Illegal.

You can register a AR as a SBR... But you CAN'T register it as multi caliber.  You need to specify.

And I have a feeling having a CCW has absolutely no bearing on the wait time for ATF paperwork.  They are two seperate things.

Manufacturing the adapter is illegal. You are essentially manufacturing a silencer or parts for one, and doing so without permission.

If you buy one, it's cheap.... But its a serial numbered item, and you must register the adapter.  I couldn't imagine dropping the coin on a stamp just to pop big heavy oil filters on the end of any of my guns.  F that.  Just save up and buy a real silencer.
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 As far as I know, the guy when thru IF&W, it was a long process, but he does legally hunt with a silenced .308, and a 12 gauge. The 12 is taller than him with the suppressor on... He was also a contracted pigeon "sniper" for the state of Maine. He was actually paid to remove unwanted pigeons from drawbridges.... He might be full of it about hunting legal, but he didn't seem that way.

 
Ok... But even if I agree to the sniper bit, there is no way he's doing that with a suppressed .308 or shotgun.

And what disability allows you permission to hunt with a suppressor when no one else can?

 
The guy has a really bad case of Tinnitus, its a very loud constant ringing in his ears, he was limited to having to wear earplugs and muffs pretty much at all times while working for DOT.   He did the birds in with a high power pellet gun, but got paid to do it! I worked with him for 10 years til he retired 3 years ago. Im betting Bratman is talking about the same guy, his name is Neil. Worked out of the Washington bridge crew for over 25 years. He lived in Jefferson, or Whitefield, right in that neighborhood..

 
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