VOTE
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Kati
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thank you (swimming team), again, I don't frequent that website but they could be anyone.perhaps it was a swimming team.
kati quit hogging the computer i sent gabe a pm
Summertime, do you tell the people at the beach to cover up? There's a time and a place for certain attire (or lack of attire), and this float or whatever it is, called for it with bathingsuits, palm trees, and knee pads [so they don't get hurt if they fall off].
I mean hell, they look like lifegaurds advertising for their beach.
If they weren't gay, you'd feel pretty crappy about stereotyping, right?
Mark, Gabe's working, plus we have 4 computers. If it's urgent I can message him.
Back on track:
I am proud that I was moved enough by one question to register to vote this year. I felt a huge sense of accomplishment, though all of the things I voted on, didn't "win". I was passionate about Question 1 because I have a handful of lesbian friends, NO gay family members, but the Yes on 1 campaign ticked me off, and that fueled me wanting to vote against them. They were ignorant. I did, however, get to learn about 2 children's books that were about gay marriage that I would have NEVER known about had I not seen the Yes on 1 commercials. So, I'm sure they boosted their sales... ooops.
Then when I saw the medicinal marijuana post here, I started looking more into it. I am still ticked that the ones that can now get medical marijuana can have balloons for packaging, crack spoons, bongs and glass blown bowls. I feel they should get a corn cob pipe and some Zig Zags and leave it at that. I know this will mean there will be some untruthful people- friends being pulled over with the ones that have permission will toss their bowl to the one with permission- and the recreational smoker will get out of trouble for holding illegal paraphernalia. And the whole kids can use it with parental consent.
Then I saw the school consolidation question. I do NOT want schools to be consolidated. They said they wouldn't lose the teachers, but where would they cram them? The teacher-to-student ratio will be unfair.
And yes, while I CHOSE to be ignorant (meaning: less educated) on the matters, I am proud of what I stood up for. I do wish that the questions were written in Layman's terms. I realize this statement could anger the wrong person, where I'd be blasted for even voting because I wasn't fully educated on the issues. But I read what I needed to know, and my voting didn't count anyway.
Also, I chose to remain party-less as I have NO clue was a democrat or republican is. Again, this was never interesting to me, so I never took the time to learn about it.
Thank you for continuing this discussion.
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that's what many on the No on 1 campaign have been saying all along. People didn't take the time to READ and they did most likely just go on the fact that it was about "gay people".
Nigel Prodrive
Dirt surfer
here is exact wording of Question 1:
"Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages?"
the problem with reading comprehension is that it's often clouded by preconceived ideas.
evidently the problem here is what some people's idea of what the definition of the term "and" means...
"Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages?"
the problem with reading comprehension is that it's often clouded by preconceived ideas.
evidently the problem here is what some people's idea of what the definition of the term "and" means...
MAINIAC XV
The Eco Man
Wow this thread hit a 100 posts in only 54 hours. That may be a record for our site we will have to have Carter check on that.
Who would of thought a little 4 letter word "VOTE" would of created all this discusion
Don`t worry if things get boring in the future I`ll come up with another 4 letter word.
Who would of thought a little 4 letter word "VOTE" would of created all this discusion
Don`t worry if things get boring in the future I`ll come up with another 4 letter word.
2point5RS_Dan
HATER DAN
That's how I feel. I could take all afternoon and type up a big long post citing counter points to everyone's argument (and backing up my points with honest to goodness facts), and then spend the rest of the night countering peoples counters. Yeah, I'm lazy and don't have time for that.
Image warning, yes it says the word "fags" boo hoo, my gay friends found it funny and weren't cry babies about it, so don't pull that stunt in reaction to this:
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Kati
Guest
for the love of whomever: PLEASE DON'T QUOTE THAT GIGANTIC PICTURE SO WE HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH 8 OF THOSE VERY LARGE IMAGES!!! Thanks!!
PS I would have been nicer if you didn't approach the picture with such a childish reaction. Had it been nicer, I would have been nicer to your friends.
Either or, yay for the insanely large picture.
Your friends laughed at that offensive term because they are school kids, apparently not mature enough for the world.
PS I would have been nicer if you didn't approach the picture with such a childish reaction. Had it been nicer, I would have been nicer to your friends.
Either or, yay for the insanely large picture.
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MAINIAC XV
The Eco Man
I would not try to tell anyone what to believe in because I would not want anyone telling me what to believe in. We all have our core beliefs,call me old fashion or just old. We are on opposite sides on this matter. Marriage is just not any word to me as I am sure there are certain words that have a meaning to you that you would not bend on. The way the question was phrased saying that churchs would not be forced to preform same sex marriages had to be in there to try to entice people on the fence over or it would not have a chance at all to pass. Had the question been defeated and same sex marriage became law on down the line there would have been legislation to make it illegal for churchs to turn down same sex marraiges under penalty of loosing their tax free exemption. It`s a slippery slope to let ones core beliefs slide no matter which side your on. So I guess we cancelled out each others vote. Like I said in my opening post. Gays should have all the legal rights & liabilities as a man and a women just call it another name. There are some things worth fighting for and I respect your right to speak up for your side.here is exact wording of Question 1:
"Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages?"
the problem with reading comprehension is that it's often clouded by preconceived ideas.
evidently the problem here is what some people's idea of what the definition of the term "and" means...
Nigel Prodrive
Dirt surfer
if the civility of the debate statewide on this question was as civil as the debate here on MS, there would have been a lot fewer hard feelings left in its wake.
kudos to our group for being (reasonably) well behaved on this.
[[[peace sign smiley goes here ]]]
kudos to our group for being (reasonably) well behaved on this.
[[[peace sign smiley goes here ]]]
Nate
Founding Father
I think that what we are ALL missing here is that this "freedom" we all are given, and the "freedom" this country was founded on, allows up to not only vote the way we want, but also to believe what we want. No one is going to change my mind no matter how much crap they spout off.
Although i liked this thread for a while, I think it will ALWAYS remain that if you feel one way there will be someone who feels the opposite. To continue to call the other person "out of their damn mind", or say they are wrong for believing what they want, is just as short-sighted as you may think they are being.
You cant begin to understand someones lives over the internet. I think a lot of us get this sense of who someone might be, but you will most likely NEVER being to know what factors lead to why someone feels the way they do about a subject. Its in the way they were raised. The morals taught to us by parents, teachers, relgious figures, neighbors, older siblings. I may have been raised to feel one way about something, while you feel the complete opposite. Fine by me. Such is life, and such is life in these United States.
I say let this subject DIE. I dont think all the heat should be directed at kristof. Even though it may seem that he is alone in the way he feels, ganging up on him for it isn't right. And honestly i doubt hes alone, there are just more out spoken folks that feel the opposite of him.
To think when you all sit back and make someone feel like a biggot for not voting a certian way. isn't that biggoted thinking in itself??
Although i liked this thread for a while, I think it will ALWAYS remain that if you feel one way there will be someone who feels the opposite. To continue to call the other person "out of their damn mind", or say they are wrong for believing what they want, is just as short-sighted as you may think they are being.
You cant begin to understand someones lives over the internet. I think a lot of us get this sense of who someone might be, but you will most likely NEVER being to know what factors lead to why someone feels the way they do about a subject. Its in the way they were raised. The morals taught to us by parents, teachers, relgious figures, neighbors, older siblings. I may have been raised to feel one way about something, while you feel the complete opposite. Fine by me. Such is life, and such is life in these United States.
I say let this subject DIE. I dont think all the heat should be directed at kristof. Even though it may seem that he is alone in the way he feels, ganging up on him for it isn't right. And honestly i doubt hes alone, there are just more out spoken folks that feel the opposite of him.
To think when you all sit back and make someone feel like a biggot for not voting a certian way. isn't that biggoted thinking in itself??
MAINIAC XV
The Eco Man
Hey man if you ever make to one of our southern meets I`ll buy you a beer. Of course you know southern meets are better than northern meets
MAINIAC XV
The Eco Man
I agree with you man your people got the shaft
Nigel Prodrive
Dirt surfer
Aww jeez, here we go!
Mush of the genocide of settlers vs native peoples in eastern North America predated the Founding Fathers -- not that they din't promote their own versions of same, they just called it Manifest Destiny and "tamed" the West..
Early pioneers in New England wiped out the locals not so much from guns spears and knives but from smallpox, influenza and STDs...roughly 80% of the native population died of imported diseases within 10 years of white contact. We now regard measles as a minor inconvenience, but for peoples with no prior exposure, they were devastating.
Then came years of wars between the english and the french (with natives siding mostly w/french) which displaced the native peoples from traditional hunting and fishing grounds...and since they couldn't just go down to the Quick Stop and stock up on food, things just got worser and worser.
the relations between whites and native peoples is an indelible stain on the fabric of America. No we can't really address all that and right the wrongs now, but it's good to admit what happened and then move along.
Mush of the genocide of settlers vs native peoples in eastern North America predated the Founding Fathers -- not that they din't promote their own versions of same, they just called it Manifest Destiny and "tamed" the West..
Early pioneers in New England wiped out the locals not so much from guns spears and knives but from smallpox, influenza and STDs...roughly 80% of the native population died of imported diseases within 10 years of white contact. We now regard measles as a minor inconvenience, but for peoples with no prior exposure, they were devastating.
Then came years of wars between the english and the french (with natives siding mostly w/french) which displaced the native peoples from traditional hunting and fishing grounds...and since they couldn't just go down to the Quick Stop and stock up on food, things just got worser and worser.
the relations between whites and native peoples is an indelible stain on the fabric of America. No we can't really address all that and right the wrongs now, but it's good to admit what happened and then move along.
2point5RS_Dan
HATER DAN
Sorry, I tried to cut off at the pass a bunch of posts about how the picture I posted had a naughty word and missing the point of the image entirely, I failed in my attempt.
@thread
My $.02: I'm with Nate, let this thread die. It's train wrecked enough at this point. It's going to give us reasons to dislike other forum members, who in person, are great people.
There's two things you don't talk about with friends (and I consider all of you friends) you like, religion, and politics. Someone's gonna walk away upset.
I'm done with this thread have fun guys.
K
Kati
Guest
This thread made me realize why my parents never discussed why they voted.
I'll set the scene:
Voting Day: my mom prepared a nice dinner, dad got off of work early to beat the other voters to the polls, they sparked up a joint but did NOT eat dinner with us, they left us alone, "went to vote", then celebrated at the bar(s) til closing time.
Day after: we'd ask who they voted for, they NEVER TOLD US.
I always thought that they never told us because they really never truly went to vote. But, hearing, reading and being involved with all of this, I'm betting they did vote, but didn't want to be bothered or hated upon since they were big time pot smoking hippies/ my dad was the local grower and distributer. So they wanted to live peacefully I guess. Rather than have someone speak bad of them, or get my dad in trouble because of opposite views.
I'll set the scene:
Voting Day: my mom prepared a nice dinner, dad got off of work early to beat the other voters to the polls, they sparked up a joint but did NOT eat dinner with us, they left us alone, "went to vote", then celebrated at the bar(s) til closing time.
Day after: we'd ask who they voted for, they NEVER TOLD US.
I always thought that they never told us because they really never truly went to vote. But, hearing, reading and being involved with all of this, I'm betting they did vote, but didn't want to be bothered or hated upon since they were big time pot smoking hippies/ my dad was the local grower and distributer. So they wanted to live peacefully I guess. Rather than have someone speak bad of them, or get my dad in trouble because of opposite views.
all i have to say is i love politicall talk and think its healthy. i never take anythign personally when it comes to politicall debate nor hold anythign agaisnt somone. i thinks its fun hearing both sides of the fence sating there views even when its gets really passionate and ta the end of the day i would never not like somoen or not hang otu with somone because they are liberal and im conservative. i think discussion like this does nothing but lead to everyone having a great understanding about the topic and were everyone is coming from