R.I.P

guys, im not going to disagree about him being a cool guy, that went without saying. unfortunately all you can bring to the table for an argument is that he said some stuff in private... and since it was in private he should shouldn't be banned. weak argument, plain and simple.

come on now you are telling me that if you were getting yelled at by your parent, and you were the only two in a room, does it mean you can say what ever you want? (no im not saying we are your parents) im just saying because it was said private doesn't excuse that fact that some crap went down. i might also remind you that you all don't know the full extent of what happened.

now...... all that being said. i wouldn't mind this conversation stopping. we know how you all feel and i semi-feel the same way. i have craig's email address and phone number and will be talking to him on a personal level in the near future. he needs a time out for now. (there i go with the parent crap again) nothing is set in stone, and before you all go hold a candle light vigil. why don't you all R-E-L-A-X.

 
No problem, and thank you for the detailed response. And it's good to hear you will be talking to him. Thanks again

 
Damn man, he knocked up my mom, and still got banned. Bummer.
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I'm sure my $0.02 will rub the moderator the wrong way, but...

I guess I feel like he's the kind of member that as a moderator, you need to expect him to "talk back" at you. He was obviously frustrated and posted a rant post about the wrecked new car incident, someone proceeded to fuel the fire by calling his parenting skills into question, things got out of hand in emails and PM etc.... He just needed time to cool off, of which I'm sure he's had plenty of that by now.

I'm not sure what he said behind closed doors, nor is it my business, but I feel like this banning is in the best interest of the moderators and not of the forum. It is in the moderator's best interest to keep the members of the board happy, not the other way around. If the two said groups are at an impass, the forum doesn't function. Remember, this is a FORUM, not a supervised internet playground. Or is it? The pack of members will weed out the bad ones in time, it always works one way or another. Clearly topdeeni was not a "bad member" as the majority seems to want him back. His banning has caused more of a disruption than his original car wreck thread.

Members like him are what keep forums like this alive and interesting. Words are words, it's the internet, get over it. Cut the guy a break. Besides, you know you miss running across his posts and having to read them twice to figure out what he was talking about.
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Not trying to make anyone butt hurt, just calling it how I see it. I have no interest in getting into this any further.

+1 for tops back

 
How about banning the member who started the controversy by attacking topdeeni? "Reap what you sow" Is also from the Bible, not only did he break rule #6, he broke rule #3. If your use the ban stick make sure you hit the right people.

 
I have to agree with awwsheet. This banning seems like a personal issue with a moderator and member, not a member and the forum. If this is how certain mods are going to use their "power" this site should merge with NASIOC. Not grounds for banning IMO. Truely dissapointed.

I also have to agree with EVOVIII, the second member involved with the original thread is the person guilty of not following the "forum rules" and should be "punished", not the other way around.

The original solution to the original problem, was an acceptable fix, and would have avoided this whole scenario.

Word of advice, next time you want to change your post, use the EDIT button, and not a mod.

 
If need be we can hold a "candle light vigil" outside the shop! Monday night perhaps? Lol
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sounds great, i need to meet you guys anyway
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First of all I would like to say I agree with Carter 95% of the time. I think for a young guy he has done a great job in creating this site.

That said, being young means one lacks the expierence when dealing with people under adverse conditions. We all learn by trial and error and us older people have scars to show it.

I have two families, my personal and my subie family here. As in both families your not going to get along with everyone. I sat across from Deeni at the last meet. He ia a very flamboyant, out going and loud individual that says whats on his mind and apparently doesn`t hold back, sounds like my wife but we will not go there. If anyone was to put down our leader in public or open forum to embarrass him I would say ban the SOB. That is not the case here. I would like our site to keep growing and we need to get past this sticking point.

OLD MAM TIME HAS SPOKEN

 
you are ALL still stuck on the fact that you think the post about his daughter was his reason for banning. not the case. it was what came afterwords.

 
I think the biggest thing that is upsetting people is the 'one strike and you are out'. Most forums will ban someone for a few days, or a week the first time to let them 'cool off' and reflect. Maybe give him a second chance? Keep him on a short leash?

 
Have been away from MS for a couple weeks on business and then vacation.

Not sure what happened in the meantime, but the general drift of this thread tells me this suby family here has got to get past this sticking point.

Evidently mods and deeni had harsh words, which sucks. So the mods ban deeni, that's their perogative.

It's also important for all to learn that harsh words need not be permanent. Here's a similar example: I organize a boats & home show each year, with 300 exhibitors. Coordinating all those high-energy business owners and getting them to 'play by the show rules' whether they agree with the rules or not can--and inevitably DOES--lead to conflict. In fact this year I had a face to face screaming match with a key client I've done business with for years. We left the confrontation mutually agreed to never ever do anything with each other again. Next morning we both realized that though this made us feel better at the moment, it was in the larger context a stupid decision. So when the show opened, I allowed this exhibitor in and he did business as usual. His customers and my customers both benefitted from us getting past personal conflict.

Mods please realize that forum members are your customers--without them, you don't got much to base a good site on. Members please realize that the mods work hard to keep this site going and make it useful to you--without the mods, members don't got much to see or do here.

So let's just kiss n make up and move along!

 
you are ALL still stuck on the fact that you think the post about his daughter was his reason for banning. not the case. it was what came afterwords.
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Nothing personal Nate, but please re-read my post. I clearly acknowledged that he said some stuff behind closed doors and that's why he was banned. I'm just saying that he didn't create threads and attack moderators in public, which he could have done if he was "one of those" types of members. I've moderated large national forums before, and I've had conflicts similar to this with members.

It's not my place to moderate this forum, so I'll keep my words to myself from now on. I just want this forum to continue to grow in a positive direction just like the rest of you. It's still young
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So let's just kiss n make up and move along!
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you put it so succinctly
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think everyone needs to realize one key point

the mod's didn't ban craig.

 

and nate is correct. craig wasn't banned for the thread in question. he said some things he probly shouldn't have, to a certain administrator. this could all work out in time, but mayhaps, we should let it go for a bit. i've talked to craig a few times, and he isn't holding a grudge. he misses the forum, but he isn't losing sleep over it. in time, we might be seeing him again around here. but that wholly depends on him.

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think everyone needs to realize one key point

the mod's didn't ban craig!!!

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feel free to explain haha.... can't believe I missed that somewhere in all this

 
think everyone needs to realize one key point

the mod's didn't ban craig!!!

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Yeah, I think we realize that, in fact maybe even one of them was spoken to for helping him out^^^
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