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inski
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Ok, here it is. The Saiga 308 Converted back to regular AK configuration...
Before: note the trigger location, trigger shape, trigger travel is straight up instead of backwards, and the goofy longass stock.
After: Note the trigger had moved forward, now has a Hogue pistol grip, now has a Magpul adjustable stock. Internals are now all Tapco. Low rise side mount scope mount with extra rails. Bushnell illume scope. Trigger guard is welded in place at AK spec.
So now this gun is so much fun to handle. It fits now. Before the stock was too long, trigger function was so unfamiliar and crappy. It was hard to get a sight picture. Hard to reach the charging handle. Now its a Lincoln Continental of assault rifles. If I had known this was going to come out this well I might have considered getting one instead of my AR15...no not really, but hell, this is .308 and it kicks butt!!!! Its a very pleasant alternative to AR. Not quite the same ergonomics as the AR, this configuration certainly much better than the regular rifles. We got some tracer rounds. We'll be at the Fryeburg range tomorrow unleashing the beast!
Before: note the trigger location, trigger shape, trigger travel is straight up instead of backwards, and the goofy longass stock.
After: Note the trigger had moved forward, now has a Hogue pistol grip, now has a Magpul adjustable stock. Internals are now all Tapco. Low rise side mount scope mount with extra rails. Bushnell illume scope. Trigger guard is welded in place at AK spec.
So now this gun is so much fun to handle. It fits now. Before the stock was too long, trigger function was so unfamiliar and crappy. It was hard to get a sight picture. Hard to reach the charging handle. Now its a Lincoln Continental of assault rifles. If I had known this was going to come out this well I might have considered getting one instead of my AR15...no not really, but hell, this is .308 and it kicks butt!!!! Its a very pleasant alternative to AR. Not quite the same ergonomics as the AR, this configuration certainly much better than the regular rifles. We got some tracer rounds. We'll be at the Fryeburg range tomorrow unleashing the beast!
Nate
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inski
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Oh yeah! Just got my Spikes Tactical AR15 last Tuesday. I'm going to shoot some tracers from that tomorrow as well.
I have to save a few pennies for that sick deal on 5.56 they got going on right now. Northeastern seems to be the cheapest $150 for a can of 62gr green tip 420rnds. Holy jeezus that's cheaper than any 9mm ever!
inski
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The other new firearm. So glad I finally got one.
Thanks! Since this build I've been eyeballin Polish Tantals. But the old lady informed me I have to watch my spending for awhile.
smelt240
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That Saiga came out great. I think Ill call Carolina shooter supply tomorrow...order up the parts for my 12. They always seem to be out of the Ace,or the redjacket stocks though. Being a 12,I dont really see the need for a AR style stock. How much fitting did you have to do on the parts,if any?
inski
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I was suppose to drill 2 more holes in the receiver for the trigger guard. One hole thru the mag release just under a cross pin inside the receiver, and another hole in front of the pistol grip. I decided to cut the trigger guard and weld it to the back of the mag release housing and weld it in front of the pistol grip. that's the way AKs are normally. The trigger guard is part of the mag release, and welding it made it stronger instead of weaker with more holes. And I wasn't sure I could find a nut and bolt combo that wouldn't interfere with the cross pin for the hammer.
Also, the instructions never mention the 2 pinch welds you have to drill out on the bottom floor plate, and the pinch weld at the rear of the trigger guard to get it off the floor plate. Once I drilled the rivets it was obvious that was what needed to be done.
Heres the floor plate of the rifle that shifts all the Saiga stuff rearward. It was flat in place, but I mangled it a little to snap free the pinch welds after drilling.
If you tackle this yourself I HIGHLY recommend getting brand new drill bits, and maybe a couple duplicate bits because you'll mess up some drill bits in a certain size. I broke 3 or 4, sharpened all of mine before starting, resharped a few, and I still struggled a lot on those pinch welds, the rivets weren't to bad. The shotgun procedure is a little different, and I saw some jigs people were selling. I suggest whatever makes it easier to go ahead and grab it. I also recommend welding the trigger guard on. Just a couple tack welds and its beefy enough for permanent duty. The guy at the hardware store happens to be an AK nut. He said the Krylon Camo Ultra Black is a perfect match for the AK receiver black. He was right. You'll notice bare metal on the bottom of the receiver you'll want to get paint on it.
Also, the stock needed a 1/16" (or slightly thinner) washer/spacer on the top rear most screw to take up some slack that was giving me a weird gap along the side were the stock meets the receiver. If you look at the before picture you can see this gap in the 'stock' stock was there also. I made the spacer out of the floor plate I took off and just ground it oval shaped so it would fit on top of the stock and under the receiver tail with out sliding around. It seems the receiver tail is not angled just right, but the new stock fit better than the original stock. A minor adjustment really.
Also, the instructions never mention the 2 pinch welds you have to drill out on the bottom floor plate, and the pinch weld at the rear of the trigger guard to get it off the floor plate. Once I drilled the rivets it was obvious that was what needed to be done.
Heres the floor plate of the rifle that shifts all the Saiga stuff rearward. It was flat in place, but I mangled it a little to snap free the pinch welds after drilling.
If you tackle this yourself I HIGHLY recommend getting brand new drill bits, and maybe a couple duplicate bits because you'll mess up some drill bits in a certain size. I broke 3 or 4, sharpened all of mine before starting, resharped a few, and I still struggled a lot on those pinch welds, the rivets weren't to bad. The shotgun procedure is a little different, and I saw some jigs people were selling. I suggest whatever makes it easier to go ahead and grab it. I also recommend welding the trigger guard on. Just a couple tack welds and its beefy enough for permanent duty. The guy at the hardware store happens to be an AK nut. He said the Krylon Camo Ultra Black is a perfect match for the AK receiver black. He was right. You'll notice bare metal on the bottom of the receiver you'll want to get paint on it.
Also, the stock needed a 1/16" (or slightly thinner) washer/spacer on the top rear most screw to take up some slack that was giving me a weird gap along the side were the stock meets the receiver. If you look at the before picture you can see this gap in the 'stock' stock was there also. I made the spacer out of the floor plate I took off and just ground it oval shaped so it would fit on top of the stock and under the receiver tail with out sliding around. It seems the receiver tail is not angled just right, but the new stock fit better than the original stock. A minor adjustment really.
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smelt240
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Cool....Im planning on using titanium/metallic blue Duracoat when I strip mine(Zombies like flashy colors). Im waiting on a guy to buy some tires today,as soon as that's done,Ill order the trigger conversion,then more liquidation sales should pay for the rails,and a couple other goodies...Tromix brake,and possibly shorten the barrel a bit/rethread. I know just from a basic takedown-the shotgun is a lot different inside than the rifles,I hope it isn't too bad when I get it apart....
i-wagon
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Inski, you make me want to spend my tax returns before I get them. Trigger pull exercises improved my groupings with the sr9c quite a bit, dad tried saying he shot better than me with our mk2 target, then I pointed out he has twice as long a barrel and no recoil. If I'd had a man with gun target he'd be dead whether I shot it or dad
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Pedro
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I assume you are doing this mag in with the SR9. Unless you have taken out the magazine safety. If you haven't you better order a new firing pin.
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smelt240
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Yeah,everything except a lower reciever! The only thing I need to grab is a set of flip up sights,he has the detachable front sight tower for it. He put a box and a half of that herters steel cased garbage through it,had 2 fail to ejects,didnt like it,and sold it to me. I dont use anything but LC ammo in my .223s,so no worries on my end. Im going to pick it up after the meet at Gippers tonight. Then to pick out an optic...hmmmm....Eotech,Aimpoint...probably an Aimpoint..
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