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What's the law about shooting on private property without a license? My dad and I were invited a few years ago to go shooting at a friend's house but we didn't have time to actually get up there.

We've got I believe a 45 that I haven't actually seen for the last year or two, but tons of extra ammo of all sorts (mostly 9mm/45/22/rifle bullets of some sort, but we recently found a box of .357 rounds
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What license? It all depends on where you live. I can shoot on our land no problem, but if I go over the power lines a few hundred yards away, I can't shoot at all.

 
I dunno, all this talk about Nate getting his CWP made me think I'd need one to shoot at all.

nevermind
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I've still never fired our handgun...

 
Garrett, let's blow some shyt UP @ Meyagi's!!

... I'll get some ammo, we'll call phatNate, and go apeshyt on some tvs... Heh heh heh!!

XXX

 
Don't think I have ever mentioned this, but:

If anyone has AK parts kits that they need built into a rifle, let me know. I've got a little bit of experience with that
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Oh Im in for blowing stuff up at Meyagis. Let me know the day, I'll drag all I have down there.

 
My son fixed the Mosin Nagant and I got 2 mags for my .30carbine. All parts from Numrich http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

I'm pretty excited.

I have a couple questions for you guys into firearms. We've been looking at kits in Shotgun News. G3, FAL, AR15. What would I need to complete a rifle if I got a complete kit with barrel? Is this just something I can put together and head to the range? Or are there other important stuff I need to locate? Do you recommend any specific FFL guys in Maine?

 
inski: A good place to start is an AR15. They can be put together easily after some light reading. You really only need some hand tools, and a vise, as well as an armorer's wrench(I have one I can loan you) You can order all your parts except for the receiver from bushmaster's website. You could go to Howell's in gray for the lower receiver and lower parts kit. If you can sort through the misinformation on www.ar15.com it is a good place to start. I like the retro stuff, and find the folks in the retro forum to be quite smart and experienced.

The G3 or CETME parts kits are not an easy first to put together, and can be quite finicky due to the delayed roller design and the fact that the receiver is stamped. There is a lot of room for error in these builds.

Honestly, I am AK biased, as I have built quite a few, and they are easy for someone who has a press, drill, and a handfull of other small tools. AK kits can be had for as low as $100 and most likely will not have a barrel as that price, but not to worry, there are tons of american made barrels out there now. I am more than willing to help put together a kit if someone needs.

a few places to look for kits-

Rguns-parts and parts kits for AK based rifles

J&G sales-new and used rifles/parts kits

APEX-parts and parts kits

Nodak Spud LLC-AK semi auto receivers for all types/retro AR receivers.(VERY good service)

Dph arms-rifle parts and kits

Centerfire-parts and kits

I have purchased from ALL of the above companies and they are all very good to deal with.

 
there's a ton of good build videos of both AR and AK's on youtube. pretty fun to watch, even if you don't build one
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technically, yes. The only exception is a short barrel with a pinned and welded(or another method of permanent attachment) flash hider or compensator.

A good example is a rifle I built this summer, 11.5" barreled bushmaster XM(commando) clone. It was a barrel I bought from Bushmaster with a 5.5" retro-sih flash hider pinned and welded on the 11.5" barrel.

As long as the overall length of the with permanently attached item is 16" or more, you are GTG. Also keep in mind that rifle overall length can not be less than 26".

BATF considers welding or pinning and welding as an acceptable method, JB Weld is not.

There are some important things to know when building to keep you legal, the above mentioned barrel info is important, and also just as important is 922r compliance. Anytime you build a rifle from a imported parts kit(AR15's are not really an issue, since they are mostly from the US) you need to have a certain # of US made parts installed on the rifle to keep it 922r compliant. The number of required parts differs from one firearm to the next, and the BATF has a very detailed list of what firearms and what parts are counted as compliance parts. Some parts can count as more than 1. For example: sometimes trigger parts are lumped together and considered 2 parts(trigger/disconnector). Magazine parts can also count, typically floorplates and magazine bodies are counted as 1 part.

I could go on and on, but that touches on some of the 'good stuff'.

Don't be intimidated, it's easier than it sounds to stay legal. You just need to read, read and read some more.
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edit: and as far as licenses or permits... most of the information circulated about this subject is false or misunderstood. You can own a short barreled rifle legally(aka SBR). The only thing you need to do is submit a form to the BATF regarding your personal info and rifle info, accompanied by a one time fee of $200, commonly referred to as a Tax Stamp. You will have to wait anywhere from 4 weeks to 4 months, but you will be sent a stamp with all of the info and approval to own said rifle. The same goes for Select Fire, or Automatic firearms, except they are mostly only 'transferrable' machine guns(unless you are a dealer or licensed manufacturer). You locate the transferrable machine gun you wish to buy, submit your paperwork for transfer, with your $200, and the machine gun will then be legally transfered to you. Unfortunately, transferable machine guns are INSANELY pricey, since it is not legal for average joe to build a machine gun or select fire firearm, we are stuck transferring the machine guns built prior to 1986.

 
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Good to know. Thanks a bunch for the info.

Last questions...

Whats better, hammer forged, chrome lined, or chromoly barrel? Differences? Mainly looking for reasonable reliability and accuracy for general plinkling with a gas drive AR and good enough to try some entry level (local) competitions next year or maybe the following year depending on my meager budget.

 
Good to know. Thanks a bunch for the info.

Last questions...

Whats better, hammer forged, chrome lined, or chromoly barrel? Differences? Mainly looking for reasonable reliability and accuracy for general plinkling with a gas drive AR and good enough to try some entry level (local) competitions next year or maybe the following year depending on my meager budget.

That's a little bit of apples and oranges. Hammer forging is the process used to make the barrel(which most barrels are), chrome lined- since the great war, a lot of barrels have been chrome lined to prevent rust, and reduce lead fowling(chrome being very smooth will reduce the leads ability to stick to it, as it is less porous than the machined, untreated metal) You will find a lot of com-bloc and many euro firearms are chrome lined. There are a lot of arguments as to the chrome affecting the accuracy of a firearm, but in my experience it is just a bunch of horse crap. I've owned hundreds of military rifles and it just doesn't matter. Accuracy is an inherent trait of the rifle design itself, or the individual rifle characteristics(wear and tear and so on). And chromoly is simply referring to the type and quality of the metal being used in the barrel(ie 4130/4145 will designate the grade of chromoly being used).

I am looking into an early Belgian FN FAL kit right now, it's pre G1, and pretty old, but there are still a ton of parts around and lots of metric receivers available for them. If I get the kit, I will post pics of the build and refinish.

 
haha, thanks guys. Since I was shooting on a wooden bench, the enbloc clip landed on the wood and you couldn't really hear it. Rather than shoot another video I just ejected the empty clip onto my kitchen floor and recorded the audio over the end of the credits.. lol. The linoleum makes it ping pretty good
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